Economist Rafael Betancourt

Between Two Countries—and Two Desserts

Rafael Betancourt is a research consultant for the Canadian Embassy in Cuba and a professor of urban economics and local development at a number of universities in Cuba. Before participating in a discussion on whether the Cuban Revolution failed, he talked about Canadian modesty, American football, and being torn between two countries—and two favorite desserts—in the Zócalo green room.

Q:

What word or phrase do you use most often?


A:

It’s actually an expression President Obama used in his December 17 speech [on the opening of Cuba]: “No es fácil.” It isn’t easy. It’s an expression we use all the time when facing difficulties.


Q:

Where would we find you at 10 a.m. on a typical Sunday morning?


A:

I would be fixing or eating breakfast with my grandchildren and my daughter and son-in-law, and probably heading off somewhere in Old Havana, or a park or another public space.


Q:

Do Canadians understand Cuba better than Americans?


A:

Yes. They’re more modest. They listen more, and they look. And I think that they are more in tune to cultural diversity.


Q:

What section of the newspaper do you read first?


A:

World news.


Q:

Who taught you to ride a bicycle, and where did you learn?


A:

I was just thinking about that today as I rode down Redondo Beach. I’m pretty sure that I was taught by one of my older brothers in Havana before coming to the United States.


Q:

What’s your favorite spectator sport?


A:

American football. Sacrilege, but yes it is. They just started showing American football on Cuban TV a couple months ago, and I got to see the Super Bowl right before I left. But really, what I watch the most in terms of time is baseball, by far.


Q:

What’s hanging on your living room walls?


A:

A poster of one of [René] Portocarrero’s green series of women’s faces, from a side view. And a watercolor from an artist from Holguín [in Cuba] that is painted on recycled paper.


Q:

What profession would you like to practice in your next life?


A:

Architect.


Q:

What dessert do you find impossible to resist?


A:

Tocino de cielo. It’s like an egg custard—like a flan. But it’s made with egg yolk. And, I should say—because I have two lives—the other one is obviously cherry cheesecake. So my Cuban side says tocino de cielo. My American side says cherry cheesecake.


Q:

Who is the one person, living or dead, you’d love to have a beer with?


A:

My grandfather. He was a general in the War of Independence—of Cuba from Spain. I would love to ask him about his life so I could understand mine a little better.


*Photo by Jake Fabricius.